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 Bishop Schneider lists problems in Vatican II documents that lead to
‘relativism’
‘For me the deepest problem of Vatican II is the relativization of Jesus
Christ and the Gospel.’

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ASTANA, Kazakhstan, July 28, 2020 (LifeSiteNews
<https://www.lifesitenews.com>) ―* The auxiliary bishop of Astana has
called for the correction of texts promulgated by the Second Vatican
Council that have led to “relativism.” *

*“I think that one day the Church should formally correct (expressions in)
Lumen Gentium
<https://www.vatican.va/archive/hist_councils/ii_vatican_council/documents/vat-ii_const_19641121_lumen-gentium_en.html>16,
in Nostra Aetate
<https://www.vatican.va/archive/hist_councils/ii_vatican_council/documents/vat-ii_decl_19651028_nostra-aetate_en.html>
and also (one) in the Ecumenical Decree on Non-Christians
<https://www.vatican.va/archive/hist_councils/ii_vatican_council/documents/vat-ii_decree_19641121_unitatis-redintegratio_en.html>
that (says)  the Holy Ghost is using them as instruments,” Bishop
Athanasius Schneider told *Dr. Taylor Marshall in an online interview
posted Sunday.

*Schneider, 59, also discussed problematic phrases in Dignitatus Humanae
<http://www.vatican.va/archive/hist_councils/ii_vatican_council/documents/vat-ii_decl_19651207_dignitatis-humanae_en.html>
and in Sacramentum Concilium
<https://www.vatican.va/archive/hist_councils/ii_vatican_council/documents/vat-ii_const_19631204_sacrosanctum-concilium_en.html>,
the Second Vatican Council’s document on the liturgy. *

Marshall introduced the theme of the Second Vatican Council by saying both
priests and laity are becoming aware that the current crisis in the Church
relates to “problem passages” in the Council’s documents. Marshall listed
such issues as *syncretism, false ecumenism, and adulatory descriptions of
Islam, Buddhism, and Hinduism. *

Schneider said the majority of the texts of the Second Vatican Council are
good, and those that are ambiguous can be interpreted within the tradition
of the Church “in a benevolent way.” However, the bishop also pinpointed* a
few expressions* *in the documents* *that** have had “very bad
consequences.” *

“The greatest problem with these (problematic) texts can be reduced to one
topic: *relativism,”* Schneider said.

The bishop said that* these few “expressions” relativize** the Lord Jesus
Christ, the Gospel, the incarnation, the work of redemption, and the
Catholic Church.*

“All these expressions that you mentioned ultimately have their roots in
relativism,” he told Marshall.

The Problem *in Lumen Gentium 16  *

Schneider pointed first to a phrase in Lumen Gentium that incorrectly
erases an important distinction between Christian and Muslim worship of
God. In the sentence, *“In the first place amongst these there are the
Muslims, who, professing to hold the faith of Abraham, along with us adore
the one and merciful God, who on the last day will judge mankind”*, the
bishop took strong issue with *the phrase “with us,”* “nobiscum” in Latin.

“This is wrong,” Schneider said firmly.

He explained that Lumen Gentium 16 errs in suggesting that Christians and
Muslims participate together in the same act of adoration. It errs because
Muslims worship on a natural level, at the same level of anyone who adores
God with the “natural light of reason,” whereas Christians adore God on a
supernatural level as His adopted children “in the truth of Christ and in
the Holy Spirit.”

“This is a substantial difference,” Schneider observed. He explained that
the use of the phrase “with us” represents a relativization of the act of
adoration of God and also of Christians’ “sonship.”

The Problem* in Dignitatis Humanae*

The bishop then cited a problem in a statement about religious freedom in
Vatican II’s Dignitatis Humanae. Schneider praised the document for
observing that nobody can be forced to believe, but then he critiqued its
statement that *human beings should not be constrained from worshipping
according to their conscience. *

Schneider said that *this was equating** the right to worship idols* *to a
right stemming from human nature*, *i.e. believing or not believing.   *

“When something is a right of human nature, it is positively willed by
God,” he explained.

“If you say it is a right of your nature, you are saying that it is
positively willed by God that no one should be hindered to practice and to
spread, let us say, idolatry.”

Schneider observed that many people are “convinced in their conscience”
that they must practise idolatry and that this is opposed to divine
revelation. He noted also that* the problematic phrase* *is “substantially
the same as the phrase of the Abu Dhabi document which says that the
plurality or diversity of religions (...) is the wise will of God.” *

“We have to be sincere and intellectually honest: *this **is not acceptable*”
the bishop said.

“And these two phrases, in Lumen Gentium and in Dignitatis Humanae, too,
are the root from which stemmed and developed all the relativism which we
experienced in the last five decades in the life of the Church.”

Schneider recalled* the controversial **World Day of Prayer convoked by St.
John Paul II in Assisi in 1986 **and the veneration of the **“Pachamama ido*
l” <https://www.lifesitenews.com/tags/tag/pachamama>* in St. Peter’s
Basilica during last October’s Synod on the Amazon*. He pointed out that
the logic of not hindering the conscientious worship of idols applies to
the worship of Pachamama ― even within Vatican City itself.

“If it is the positive will of God that a group of Amazonian Indians ―
pagans, I mean ― who venerate Pachamama not be hindered in spreading their
cult, then the pope (must say) ‘I cannot hinder them because it is a right
of human nature, and when it is a right of human nature, it is the positive
will of God. And when God positively wills that the Amazonian Indians
venerate their idol Pachamama, I cannot prohibit them because this is their
right that God gave them. I can admit them even to St. Peter’s’,” Schneider
explained.

Schneider criticized* texts suggesting that* *Buddhists and Hindus* *can
attain illumination on their own, without **“the grace of Christ,*” as* a
heresy. *

*“It’s Pelagianism and relativism (saying) that **Chris*t *is not* *the
only source*,” he said.

“So you see* these texts* *cannot be** accepted as they are*.”

Regarding Sacrosanctum Concilium, Schneider praised it for its defense of
traditional liturgy, to which the Novus Ordo and the “ad populum”
celebration of Mass are a “plain contraction,” he said. He believes that
it, too, has problematic sections, saying it weakened the theology of
specific sacraments by asking that their rites be reviewed. However, the
bishop also believes that t*he current “Ordinary Form” of **the Mass**
should be reformed according to the principles laid out by Sacrosanctum
Concilium.*
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