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<h1>Bishop Schneider lists problems in Vatican II documents that lead to ‘relativism’</h1>
<div>‘For me the deepest problem of Vatican II is the relativization of Jesus Christ and the Gospel.’
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<span>By Dorothy Cummings McLean</span></div><div><span><a href="https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/bishop-schneider-lists-problems-in-vatican-ii-documents-that-lead-to-relativism?utm_source=top_news&utm_campaign=standard" target="_blank">https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/bishop-schneider-lists-problems-in-vatican-ii-documents-that-lead-to-relativism?utm_source=top_news&utm_campaign=standard</a></span><i><b><a href="https://lifepetitions.com/petition/urge-catholic-bishops-to-refuse-holy-communion-to-pro-abortion-biden" style="color:white;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank"> the </a></b></i><br></div><div><br></div><div>ASTANA, Kazakhstan, July 28, 2020 (<a href="https://www.lifesitenews.com" target="_blank">LifeSiteNews</a>)
―<span style="background-color:rgb(217,234,211)"><b> <span style="background-color:rgb(255,242,204)">The auxiliary bishop of Astana </span>has called for the correction of <span style="background-color:rgb(234,209,220)">texts
</span>promulgated by the Second Vatican Council<span style="background-color:rgb(234,209,220)"> that have led </span>to <span style="background-color:rgb(234,209,220)">
“relativism.” </span></b></span></div></div><div><div>
<p><span style="background-color:rgb(208,224,227)"><b>“I think that one day the Church should formally correct (expressions in) <a href="https://www.vatican.va/archive/hist_councils/ii_vatican_council/documents/vat-ii_const_19641121_lumen-gentium_en.html" target="_blank">Lumen Gentium </a>16, in <a href="https://www.vatican.va/archive/hist_councils/ii_vatican_council/documents/vat-ii_decl_19651028_nostra-aetate_en.html" target="_blank">Nostra Aetate</a> and also (one) in the<a href="https://www.vatican.va/archive/hist_councils/ii_vatican_council/documents/vat-ii_decree_19641121_unitatis-redintegratio_en.html" target="_blank"> Ecumenical Decree on Non-Christians</a>
that (says) the Holy Ghost is using them as instruments,” Bishop
Athanasius Schneider told </b></span>Dr. Taylor Marshall in an online interview
posted Sunday.</p>
<p><span style="background-color:rgb(208,224,227)"><b>Schneider, 59, also discussed problematic phrases in <a href="http://www.vatican.va/archive/hist_councils/ii_vatican_council/documents/vat-ii_decl_19651207_dignitatis-humanae_en.html" target="_blank">Dignitatus Humanae</a> and in <a href="https://www.vatican.va/archive/hist_councils/ii_vatican_council/documents/vat-ii_const_19631204_sacrosanctum-concilium_en.html" target="_blank">Sacramentum Concilium</a>, the Second Vatican Council’s document on the liturgy. </b></span></p>
<p>Marshall introduced the theme of the Second Vatican Council by saying
both priests and laity are becoming aware that the current crisis in
the Church relates to “problem passages” in the Council’s documents.
Marshall listed such issues as <span style="background-color:rgb(234,209,220)"><b>syncretism, false <span style="background-color:rgb(217,234,211)">ecumenism</span>, and
adulatory descriptions of<span style="background-color:rgb(217,234,211)"> Islam, Buddhism, and Hinduism</span>. </b></span></p>
<p>Schneider said the majority of the texts of the Second Vatican
Council are good, and those that are ambiguous can be interpreted within
the tradition of the Church “in a benevolent way.” However, the bishop
also pinpointed<span style="background-color:rgb(234,209,220)"><b> a few expressions</b></span> <span style="background-color:rgb(217,234,211)"><b>in the <span style="background-color:rgb(255,242,204)">documents</span></b></span><span style="background-color:rgb(255,242,204)"> </span><span style="background-color:rgb(234,209,220)"><b>that</b><b><span style="background-color:rgb(234,209,220)"> </span>have had “very
bad consequences.” </b></span></p>
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</div></form></div></div></div></div></div><p>“The greatest problem with these (problematic) texts can be reduced to one topic: <span style="background-color:rgb(234,209,220)"><b>relativism,”</b></span> Schneider said. </p>
<p>The bishop said that<span style="background-color:rgb(234,209,220)"><b> these few “expressions” relativize</b></span><span style="background-color:rgb(255,242,204)"><b> the Lord
Jesus Christ, the Gospel, the incarnation, the work of redemption, and
the Catholic Church.</b></span> </p>
<p>“All these expressions that you mentioned ultimately have their roots in relativism,” he told Marshall. </p>
<p>The Problem <span style="background-color:rgb(208,224,227)"><b>in Lumen Gentium 16 </b></span></p>
<p>Schneider pointed first to a phrase in Lumen Gentium that incorrectly
erases an important distinction between Christian and Muslim worship of
God. In the sentence, <span style="background-color:rgb(208,224,227)"><b>“In the first place amongst these there are the
Muslims, who, professing to hold the faith of Abraham, along with us
adore the one and merciful God, who on the last day will judge mankind”</b></span>,
the bishop took strong issue with <span style="background-color:rgb(234,209,220)"><b>the phrase “with us,”</b></span> “nobiscum” in
Latin. </p>
<p>“This is wrong,” Schneider said firmly. </p>
<p>He explained that Lumen Gentium 16 errs in suggesting that Christians
and Muslims participate together in the same act of adoration. It errs
because Muslims worship on a natural level, at the same level of anyone
who adores God with the “natural light of reason,” whereas Christians
adore God on a supernatural level as His adopted children “in the truth
of Christ and in the Holy Spirit.” </p>
<p>“This is a substantial difference,” Schneider observed. He explained
that the use of the phrase “with us” represents a relativization of the
act of adoration of God and also of Christians’ “sonship.” </p>
<p>The Problem<span style="background-color:rgb(208,224,227)"><b> in Dignitatis Humanae</b></span></p>
<p>The bishop then cited a problem in a statement about religious
freedom in Vatican II’s Dignitatis Humanae. Schneider praised the
document for observing that nobody can be forced to believe, but then he
critiqued its statement that <span style="background-color:rgb(208,224,227)"><b>human beings should not be constrained
from worshipping according to their conscience. </b></span></p>
<p>Schneider said that <span style="background-color:rgb(234,209,220)"><b>this was equating</b><b> the right to worship idols</b></span> <b>to a
right stemming from human nature</b>, <span style="background-color:rgb(208,224,227)"><b>i.e. believing or not believing. </b></span></p>
<p>“When something is a right of human nature, it is positively willed by God,” he explained. </p>
<p>“If you say it is a right of your nature, you are saying that it is
positively willed by God that no one should be hindered to practice and
to spread, let us say, idolatry.” </p>
<p>Schneider observed that many people are “convinced in their
conscience” that they must practise idolatry and that this is opposed to
divine revelation. He noted also that<span style="background-color:rgb(234,209,220)"><b> the problematic phrase</b></span> <span style="background-color:rgb(208,224,227)"><b>is
“substantially the same as the phrase of the Abu Dhabi document which
says <span style="background-color:rgb(208,224,227)">that the plurality or diversity </span>of religions (...) <span style="background-color:rgb(234,209,220)">is the wise will
</span>of God.” </b></span></p>
<p>“We have to be sincere and intellectually honest: <span style="background-color:rgb(234,209,220)"><b>this </b></span><span style="background-color:rgb(208,224,227)"><b>is not <span style="background-color:rgb(234,209,220)">acceptable</span></b></span><span style="background-color:rgb(234,209,220)">” </span>the bishop said.</p>
<p>“And these two phrases, in Lumen Gentium and in Dignitatis Humanae,
too, are the root from which stemmed and developed all the relativism
which we experienced in the last five decades in the life of the
Church.”</p>
<p>Schneider recalled<span style="background-color:rgb(234,209,220)"><b> the controversial </b></span><span style="background-color:rgb(208,224,227)"><b>World Day of Prayer convoked by
St. John Paul II in Assisi in 1986 </b></span><span style="background-color:rgb(234,209,220)"><b>and the veneration of the </b></span><a href="https://www.lifesitenews.com/tags/tag/pachamama" target="_blank"><span style="background-color:rgb(234,209,220)"><b>“Pachamama ido</b></span>l”</a><span style="background-color:rgb(208,224,227)"><b>
in <span style="background-color:rgb(255,242,204)">St. Peter’s Basilica </span>during last October’s Synod on the Amazon</b></span>. He
pointed out that the logic of not hindering the conscientious worship of
idols applies to the worship of Pachamama ― even within Vatican City
itself. </p>
<p>“If it is the positive will of God that a group of Amazonian Indians ―
pagans, I mean ― who venerate Pachamama not be hindered in spreading
their cult, then the pope (must say) ‘I cannot hinder them because it is
a right of human nature, and when it is a right of human nature, it is
the positive will of God. And when God positively wills that the
Amazonian Indians venerate their idol Pachamama, I cannot prohibit them
because this is their right that God gave them. I can admit them even to
St. Peter’s’,” Schneider explained. </p>
<p>Schneider criticized<span style="background-color:rgb(234,209,220)"><b> texts suggesting that</b></span> <span style="background-color:rgb(208,224,227)"><b>Buddhists and Hindus</b></span> <span style="background-color:rgb(234,209,220)"><b>can
attain illumination on their own, without </b></span><span style="background-color:rgb(255,242,204)"><b>“the grace of Christ,</b></span>” as<span style="background-color:rgb(234,209,220)"><b> a
heresy. </b></span></p>
<p><span style="background-color:rgb(234,209,220)"><b>“It’s Pelagianism and relativism (saying) that<span style="background-color:rgb(255,242,204)"> </span></b></span><span style="background-color:rgb(255,242,204)"><b>Chris</b></span>t <span style="background-color:rgb(234,209,220)"><b>is not</b></span> <span style="background-color:rgb(255,242,204)"><b>the only source</b></span>,” he said. </p>
<p>“So you see<span style="background-color:rgb(234,209,220)"><b> these texts</b></span> <span style="background-color:rgb(255,242,204)"><b>cannot <span style="background-color:rgb(234,209,220)">be</span></b></span><span style="background-color:rgb(234,209,220)"><b> accepted as they are</b></span>.” </p>
<p>Regarding Sacrosanctum Concilium, Schneider praised it for its
defense of traditional liturgy, to which the Novus Ordo and the “ad
populum” celebration of Mass are a “plain contraction,” he said. He
believes that it, too, has problematic sections, saying it weakened the
theology of specific sacraments by asking that their rites be reviewed.
However, the bishop also believes that t<span style="background-color:rgb(217,234,211)"><b>he current “Ordinary Form” of
</b></span><span style="background-color:rgb(255,242,204)"><b>the Mass</b><b> should be reformed according to the principles laid out by
Sacrosanctum Concilium.</b></span></p>
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