[Grem] *****SPAM(5.2)***** Jordan Peterson, pszich.: "Az egyház, ami túlhangsúlyozza az irgalmasságot, nem vigyáz eléggé az emberekre"

[Emoke Greschik]

 Jordan Peterson tells Bishop Barron that a church overemphasizing ‘mercy’
doesn’t ‘care’ about people

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/jordan-peterson-tells-bishop-barron-that-a-church-overemphasizing-mercy-doesnt-care-about-people

July 18, 2019 (LifeSiteNews <http://lifesitenews.com/>) – *World-famous
psychologist Jordan Peterson* told U.S. Bishop Robert Barron that *a church
that emphasizes mercy and forgiveness while not requiring people to turn
away from their evil ways is a church that does not really “care” about
people. *

“If you really love someone, you can’t tolerate when they are less than
they could be,” Peterson said in a July 13 conversation with Barron that
was broadcast on Peterson’s YouTube channel (watch the full 1.5-hour
conversation here <https://youtu.be/cXllaoNQmZY>).

The comments were made when Bishop Barron, founder of Word on Fire Catholic
Ministries and Auxiliary Bishop of the Archdiocese of Los Angeles, was
telling Peterson about the “grace of God” being “not just mercy, and not
just justice: It’s the two arms of it.”

“I think that's what we've been missing a lot in the Church, is the two
arms,” the bishop said, adding: “We’ve become just too much of a ‘mercy’
Church, in a way.”

Responded *Peterson: “Yeah, I know, that’s what I think. I don’t think you
guys ask enough of your people. You’re not giving them hell.”*

While Barron responded that he thinks there is “something right about
that,” he went on to quote Pope Francis’ teachings of “accompaniment” and
the Church being a “field hospital” for people who are deeply wounded.

“We have to accompany people all the way down [to the bottom before they
can ascend],” Barron said.

Pope Francis has emphasized in his teachings on “mercy” and “accompaniment”
that people can live Christian lives that are pleasing to God while not
following the laws of God or the perennial teachings of the Church
regarding marriage and sexuality.

In his 2016 Apostolic Exhortation *Amoris Laetitia*
<https://w2.vatican.va/content/dam/francesco/pdf/apost_exhortations/documents/papa-francesco_esortazione-ap_20160319_amoris-laetitia_en.pdf>,
the Pope indicated that God actively wills people, in certain situations —
such as in the case of an “irregular” couple where an already married man
lives with a woman to whom he is not married — to commit acts contrary to
the “demands of the Gospel.”

Conscience can recognize, stated Pope Francis, “with sincerity and honesty
what for now is the most generous response which can be given to God, and
come to see with a certain moral security that it is what God himself is
asking amid the concrete complexity of one’s limits, while yet not fully
the objective ideal” (303).

The Pope’s teachings on this matter have been used by
“progressive” priests, bishops, and cardinals to advance the normalization
within the Catholic Church of so-called second marriages without an
annulment (adultery), homosexuality, cohabitation, and other sinful
practices contrary to Catholic moral teaching. Following the example of
Christ to whom was brought the woman caught committing adultery, the Church
has always taught that receiving God’s mercy and forgiveness means also
following His command given to the woman after she was forgiven, namely,
“go and sin no more” (John 8:1-11).

*Peterson told* Barron in the interview that *real love can be a “terrible
thing” because “if you love your children, you don’t let them get away with
anything. You call them on their transgressions.”*

*The professor related how he once caught his son lying to him and how he
held him to account for the wrong. *

“There was something that's not right here,” Peterson related. “And I
wasn't going to let him get away with it because I couldn't let him learn
that it was acceptable to do that, or that I would put up with it. So, I
went after him, you know, for a long while. And, it did turn out that he
was telling me something that wasn't true,” he added.

Peterson said that he held his son to account for the transgression, even
though it really “hurt,” because* “if you really love someone, you can’t
tolerate when they’re less than they could be.”*

“*And so when someone comes into the Church, and it's all forgiveness,
there’s no care there*. It's like [the Church should be saying]: ‘What the
hell are you doing? Look at you. You're addicted. You're hooked on
pornography. You cheat on your wife. You're doing a terrible job at work.
You don’t take care of yourself. What the hell’s wrong with you? Where’s
the real you?’”

*Peterson said that anyone who is subject to that kind of assessment, “as
long as it’s done with care, and not with [the attitude], ‘I’m better than
you’” can be helped to be made better. *

“‘Man, you’re nothing like you should be,’” Peterson said is more of the
approach that needs to be taken by spiritual leaders today.

The professor said later in the conversation with Barron that what's
required to really help people today is a “reemphasis on the potential
nobility of the human being and the moral responsibility to make that
nobility a reality.”

*“We're built for nobility,” Peterson said. *

Barron pointed out that people today are “so concerned about people's
feelings and about feelings getting hurt” that they’re “afraid if we use
that language of a ‘noble’ aspiration” that calls people to something
better and higher.

Peterson agreed, adding that *“we're afraid of hurting people's feelings in
the present and willing to absolutely sacrifice their well-being in the
future.”*

*“That's the sign of a very immature and unwise culture, because the
reverse should be the case,” he said.*

*When trying to help someone who is making poor choices, the “initial
conversation when you lay things bare and you put everything out on the
table and you discuss what the problems are and maybe the potential
solutions… man, that's a rough conversation,” *said Peterson. “It’s almost
more than people can bear.”

*“But, if it's a discussion of reality, well, they're already bearing it.*
And, at least them placing it on the table indicates that there's someone
who's willing to listen, and it isn't so terrible that […] it can’t be
named,” he added.

Earlier this year, Peterson told
<https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/jordan-peterson-on-catholicism-thats-as-sane-as-people-can-get>
Dennis Prager, a conservative Jew, that Catholicism is “as sane as people
can get.” When asked about his dislike for the question of whether he
believes in God, Peterson said he has “never been comfortable saying
anything other than ‘I try to act as if God exists because God only knows
what you'd be if you truly believed.’”

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