[Grem] Heisenberg idézet természettudományról és hitről

[Emoke Greschik]

A következő információt találtam Heisenberg evangélikus létéről az alábbi
forrĂĄshelyen
http://www.asa3.org/ASA/PSCF/1985/JASA12-85Seeger.html
- gyermekeit keresztĂŠny vallĂĄs irĂĄnyelvei szerint nevelte,
- Ăşgy vĂŠlte, hogy a vallĂĄs jelenti az etika alapjĂĄt,
- hogy ha az ember megtalĂĄlta a hitĂŠt, akkor dĂśntĂśtt valami mellett, amire
az ĂŠletĂŠt felteszi,
- hogy Ăşgy gondolta, nem lehet, hatĂĄrozott kĂźlĂśnbsĂŠget tenni a tudĂĄs ĂŠs a
hit kĂśzĂśtt,
- sajnálatosnak találta, hogy Descartes egy az Istentől elkülönített
vilĂĄgĂĄban az elmĂŠre ĂŠs anyagra helyezte a hangsĂşlyt, ĂŠs ezĂĄltal Istent
kevĂŠsbĂŠ immanens, hanem inkĂĄbb transzcendenskĂŠnt jelenĂ­tette meg

http://www.asa3.org/ASA/PSCF/1985/JASA12-85Seeger.html

When he was fifty-five, Heisenberg gave the Gifford lectures at St. Andrews
on "Physics and Philosophy." He himself was religious, a member of the
Evangelische Kirche (Lutheran and Calvinistic mixture), which his family
had traditionally attended. As he once wrote me, he obviously did not
subscribe to all the tenets of his grandparents. Nevertheless, he and his
wife educated their children "definitely along the lines of the Christian
religion." He was once asked by Pauli if he believed in a personal God.
This was his reply: "Can you, or anyone else, reach the central order of
things, or events, whose existence seems beyond doubt, as directly as you
can reach the soul of another human being? I am using the term 'soul' quite
deliberately so as not to be misunderstood. If you would put the question
like that, the answer is yes."

For him "the spiritual pattern of the community [connection between good,
beautiful, and true] we call the religion of the community"-it includes
culture with or without a god. Religion, he believed, is the foundation of
ethics, ethics the prescription of life; it concerns ideals, not norms. It
is also the foundation of trust. Faith requires trust; we must believe
in-not just *about. * "If I have found faith, it means I have decided to do
something and am willing to stake my life on it." Heisenberg believed one
cannot live by distinguishing sharply between knowledge and faith, i.e.,
science and religion; he felt that modern physics has thrown fresh light on
basic ethical and political problems, "Human, philosophical, or political
problems will crop up time and again and the author [Heisenberg] hopes to
show that science is quite inseparable from these more general questions."
He admitted you cannot be a good politician and a good scientist at the
same time. He noted with regret Descartes' emphasis upon mind and matter in
a world somewhat isolated from God, who became thus more transcendental and
less immanent.


2015-11-12 16:01 GMT+01:00 mihĂĄly kiss <kissmihaaly at gmail.com>:

> KĂĄr, bĂĄntani pedig nem szabad, nem ĂŠrdemes. KĂźlĂśn sajnĂĄlatos, hogy H. -
> aki kĂśztudottan alaposan megmerĂ­tkezett a hatĂĄrozatlansĂĄg/valĂłszĂ­nĹąsĂŠg
> problematikĂĄjĂĄban - maga mĂĄr nem nyilatkozhat. A rĂĄnk testĂĄlt tovĂĄbbi
> találgatás rám eső része felelősségének súlyát viselem. Üdv: KM.
>
> 2015. november 11. 17:26 Emoke Greschik Ă­rta, <greschem at gmail.com>:
>
>> Kedves Misi!
>> Nem tartom valĂłszĂ­nĹąnek, hogy Heisenberg a Te asszociĂĄciĂłdra utalt volna.
>> Sokkal inkĂĄbb a mindensĂŠg omegĂĄjĂĄra.
>> BĂĄntĂłnak talĂĄlom az asszociĂĄciĂłdat.
>> Szeretettel,
>> Emőke
>>
>>
>> 2015-11-11 17:15 GMT+01:00 mihĂĄly kiss <kissmihaaly at gmail.com>:
>>
>>> a zacc?
>>>
>>> 2015. november 11. 14:30 Emoke Greschik Ă­rta, <greschem at gmail.com>:
>>>
>>>> *„A természettudományok poharából az első korty ateistává tesz, de a
>>>> pohĂĄr aljĂĄn ott vĂĄr Isten."*
>>>>
>>>> Werner Heisenberg
>>>>
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